Question:
Is the war in Afganistan or the war in Iraq having more success? In bringing stability?
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
Is the war in Afganistan or the war in Iraq having more success? In bringing stability?
Three answers:
2006-08-30 23:01:19 UTC
John B... if you actually look for it... as I do almost daily... you'll see quite a bit from Afghanistan... the associated press has a story almost every day on it...



the main difference seem to be our goals in each region... in Iraq we seem to want to appoint a central government with elections...



in Afghanistan... we don't seem to really care overall.. they had an election, but much of the country is still under local warlord rule... in other words... it's anything but a democracy on the local level, which is the most important level... opium production is at all time highs, but there aren't many terrorist attacks.. one every now and then...



Iraq is a mess of insurgents and terrorists, which is hard to detangle who is who half of the time... the people seem to be too afraid to stand up to the terrorists/insurgents, so they pretty much have the run of the place as long as a U.S. hummer isn't around in the central part of the nation... the south is more stable and the north is apparently great... it's that sunni triangle that's the problem... the nearly daily attacks barely even make the news anymore because it's "just another attack"...



both are messes... but building democracies in uneducated regions is like living in a house made of balsa wood... everytime you breathe, something breaks...
John B
2006-08-30 22:09:57 UTC
This is difficult to answer unless you have inside knowledge of how both countries are fairing.



Most of us must rely on the press for information and, as you know, if the subject isn't sensational, it may not get reported.

We hear daily of the problems in IRAQ. We do not however hear much of Afghanistan. As a result it would seem that progress in Afghanistan must be superior to IRAQ because the problems in IRAQ seem to be worse with each day.



The IRAQ government has little to no control over the very people that need to bring stability to that country, I.E. military and law enforcement.



In spite of the lack of news in Afghanistan is would seem they are better off but I doubt it is much better. But as I say very hard to answer.



Good luck in hearing from someone who does know.
Bearable
2006-08-31 01:17:19 UTC
It was never about stabilising governments ...so yes both are achieving what they set out to do destabilise the countries and maintain disharmony in the regions.



What explains the gullibility of Americans, a gullibility that has mired the U.S. in disastrous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and that promises war with Iran, North Korea, and a variety of other targets if neoconservatives continue to have their way?



Part of the explanation is that millions of conservatives are thrilled at the opportunity to display their patriotism and to show their support for their country. Bush's rhetoric is perfectly designed to appeal to this desire. "You are with us or against us" elicits a blind and unquestioning response from people determined to wear their patriotism on their sleeves. "You are with us or against us" vaccinates Americans against factual reality and guarantees public acceptance of administration propaganda.



Another part of the explanation is that emotional appeals have grown the stronger as the ability of educated people to differentiate fact from rhetoric declines. The Bush administration blamed 9/11 on foreign intelligence failures; yet, the administration has convinced about half of the public that mass surveillance of American citizens is the solution!



Many Americans have turned a blind eye to the administration's illegal and unconstitutional spying on the grounds that, as they themselves are doing nothing wrong, they have nothing to fear. If this is the case, why did our Founding Fathers bother to write the Constitution? If the executive branch can be trusted not to abuse power, why did Congress pass legislation establishing a panel of federal judges (ignored by the Bush administration) to oversee surveillance? If President Bush can decide that he can ignore statutory law, how does he differ from a dictator? If Bush can determine law, what is the role of Congress and the courts? If "national security" is a justification for elevating the power of the executive, where is his incentive to find peaceful solutions?



Emotional appeals to fear and to patriotism have led close to half of the population to accept unaccountable government in the name of "the war on terrorism." What a contradiction it is that so many Americans have been convinced that safety lies in the sacrifice of their civil liberties and accountable government.



If so many Americans cannot discern that they have acquiesced to conditions from which tyranny can arise, how can they understand that it is statistically impossible for the NSA's mass surveillance of Americans to detect terrorists?



Floyd Rudmin, a professor at a Norwegian university, writing at CounterPunch.org applies the mathematics of conditional probability, known as Bayes' Theorem, to demonstrate that the NSA's surveillance cannot successfully detect terrorists unless both the percentage of terrorists in the population and the accuracy rate of their identification are far higher than they are. He correctly concludes that "NSA's surveillance system is useless for finding terrorists."



The surveillance is, however, useful for monitoring political opposition and stymieing the activities of those who do not believe the government's propaganda.



Another reason for the gullibility of Americans is their lack of alternative information to government propaganda. The independence of print and TV media disappeared in the media consolidations of the 1990s. Today a handful of large corporations own the traditional media. The wealth of these corporations consists of broadcast licenses, which the companies hold at the government's discretion. Newspapers are run by corporate executives, whose eyes are on advertising revenue and who shun contentious reporting. The result is that the traditional media are essentially echo chambers for government propaganda.



The Internet and the foreign news media accessible through the Internet are the sources of alternative information. Many Americans have not learned to use and to rely on the Internet for information.



Many Americans find the government's message much more reassuring than the actual facts. The government's message is: "America is virtuous. Virtuous America was attacked by evil terrorists. America is protecting itself by going to war and overthrowing regimes that sponsor or give shelter to terrorists, erecting in their place democracies loyal to America."



Sugarcoated propaganda doesn't present Americans with the emotional and mental stress associated with the hard facts.



In National Socialist Germany, by the time propaganda lost its grip, Germans were in the hands of a police state. It was too late to take corrective measures. Not even the military could correct the disastrous policies of the executive. In the end, Germany was destroyed. Does a similar fate await Americans?


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